Usually, in the summaries I write, I try to quote a statement from everyone who participates in the “circle”. not today. Today many guests came to the “lighthouse”, probably 50 or so… A group of hikers arrived who were led by a current tour guide known as “Yoram”, but in the past, in his military service, was called “Sherman”. Sherman and I (“Bachar” as I was called then) were in the army together 50 years ago. Today Sherman led a group of about 25 hikers to our “lighthouse”. At the same time, we celebrated Ronny’s birthday today. In honor of the lighthouse’s first lady’s birthday, her family members came and friends from the area also came. Of course, everyone knows that if you want to “catch” Roni on Friday, you have to get to the “lighthouse”, While a birthday ceremony was being held for Roni and Shmulik dedicated a song by him, I gave the group of travelers a tour and an explanation (all I learned from Rami) about the factory and its surroundings. At the end of the tour we got in and joined the circle. There I continued to tell about the “lighthouse.” We started a “circle” and Roni told about the moment when she realized that she was not alone here… that there would be another community of people, another people who also claim their rights and space. She came to this insight while she was with her family on her husband’s agricultural mission in Egypt, after the outbreak of peace… There, in Cairo, she met a Palestinian family through the friendship formed between her daughter, who was 6 at the time, and the Palestinian girl. Unlike in children, the acquaintance between the parents was not easy, but when the “boycott” wall was broken and ties were formed, she realized that people belong to their place of birth. In time, she read, heard, became interested and expanded her consciousness about the other people, the Palestinian people. She understood the immense power of dialogue as a force that thaws hostility and brings people closer together. “How many times can you go in with your head against the wall and not look for a detour,” says Roni in the context of more and more rounds of violence in the area. “No I am the one who dreams” she says, dreamers are those on both sides who think the other side can be hidden. The more she knows, the more she realizes that there is someone to talk to. We then tried to start an orderly “circle”, but the group leaders wanted to continue the trip. A kind of “rebellion” began in the group, there were those for whom it was important to stay and express themselves. The group stayed a little longer. Most of the group and a large part of the other guests did not speak so the list of names that will appear at the end of the summary will be very partial. Amit very much appreciates Roni’s words, but needs to know the reality. Amit works at the Technion and was on a team that tried to persuade the Ministry of Defense to open a floating port in Gaza. Be nice, they will have a port, they will not be nice, we will harness the port to the ship and drag it to Ashdod… he think such meetings are a nice thing, but “should be realistic”, with all due respect to citizens’ dialogue initiatives, the arrangements are made by governments. Hannah thinks dialogue is important and what politicians do is for their survival needs. Smadar says people want to live and need to get to a point where they have good reasons to keep what they have in life. Nimrod works at the Technion. There are many Arab colleagues at the Technion. In recent years there has been an interesting development of collaborations between Arab and Jewish students. Global problems, he says, are not solved in personal discourse but only through leaders. Amos works at a bank. A few years ago they merged with an Arab bank. He is under the impression that the Arabs who work for them want a solution, but thinks like Nimrod that the leaders are solving the big problems. Hagar was much involved in joint activities. Agrees that the solution should come from “above”. But it’s important that we break through the barrier by dialogue, like what we do here at Lighthouse. Increase meetings and joint activities. Hagar did a workshop in Jisr a-Zarqa and someone told her that he suddenly found out that there were nice Jews… Sefi told about the conference we are holding next week and he intends to come to it. Sefi tells about an association he founded, “Sipur-Hikaya“, An organization that aims to expose as many Israelis to the Palestinian narrative as possible and as many Palestinians as possible to the Jewish-Israeli narrative. A mass of pressure from citizens needs to be created. Make leaders step out of their comfort zone that is not changing anything. If the leaders initiate any change and the move does not succeed, their political careers will be damaged. That’s why they prefer to do a lot of nothing. Lateral pressure from below can spur them into action. Afterwards, the group members got up to continue on their way, but since some of them still had questions and a desire to express themselves, small standing groups were formed on the way out. In the midst of all this mingling, those present gradually dispersed until around three-thirty, only the “regulars” remained. We took advantage of the time left to talk about our assessments, of the “lighthouse” for the conference. Meanwhile, Rami called Ronnie to wish her a happy birthday and of course we were happy to meet him even if only on Skype. This is for today. The list of participants will include all those I have identified by name, and will therefore be very partial: Shmulik, Roni, Ofek, Omer, Mary, Ovadia, Michal, Mirhaleh, Neta, Ilan, Rami, Sefi, Amos, Amit, Hagar, Hanna, Nimrod, Yoram, Oded. Wrote: Oded.
A sunny Friday, Be’eri Reserve abounds in bloom and hikers. The surroundings of the “lighthouse” are buzzing with people on bicycles, vehicles and legs. Just pick and order, crowds abound, reach out and touch them. First group joins: Families, parents and children. My introductory “speech” and Ofek after me. Ofek says he came because here he hears the words from the “people” and not from the leaders in their media language. He only heard about Gaza from stories of those who were there. He also hopes to be there. Hayuta here to say that human beings are equal and the value of man, as far as he is human, is the same. For Nahshi, Gaza’ns are people he knows. Gaza is close in sight and touch. It seems delusional, so close and impossible to help and communicate with each other. The disconnect is terrible. Come to remind himself that this is not normal and there will be better days. Moshe prefers to define himself as a resident of the area. Occasionally comes to the “lighthouse”, because here, in talks with Gaza, understandings and agreements of basic human values are formed. Margalit says that they, there in Gaza, are human beings but are controlled by a terrorist organization and they are against us. She asks us what we think our side should do … After all, we are the ones who experience the “not nice” side of the Gazans. Noa, stumbled upon … When Roni learned to drive, she did so naturally in the city closest to her place of residence, in Rafah… Roni lived close to the Gaza Strip, and “lived in Gaza.” This is a mission for her to pass on information about Gaza. It is important to Roni that we know and live with the neighbors. When the Gazans realize they have support, it will be better. Tells about Rami Kleinstein’s show in the war in 2014 during which she received a phone call from a friend in Gaza who was worried about her safety due to a missile that fell near her home, heared the noise of helicopters in the air and thought of her Gazan friend who has no protection at all… Out of this situation came an article that was broadcast on television, in which the Gazan friend told the reporter and Roni “You’re there and we’re here. Nobody’s going anywhere. Think of us too.” Shmulik always comes and says that to a certain extent, this is a conscientious objector … knows that for friends on the other side who know about us, it is important to know that we are here. For them, much more than for us, it takes courage to develop contact with Israelis. Yiftach says everyone wants peace. He wonders if on the other side there is an openness like ours… Or introduces and says that it is very beautiful what is happening here, in the “lighthouse”. The direction in which things have turned in the last 15 years has greatly surprised him. He is discouraged by the “story”, it is nice to see hope “in you” he concludes. Haim is one of those children, their mother told them that when they grow up they will not go to the army because there will be no need for an army when there is peace … Haim can understand that in Gaza and the West Bank they do not want to see us here. He is skeptical. Do not believe that such an initiative, like the “lighthouse”, will do anything. As mentioned, we hosted families and had children as well. When their parents wanted to continue the trip, Ofir, a 10-year-old girl, asked to say something. Ophir said that if everyone does something for someone else it will be better! These go and others come, sit down and treat themselves to coffee. And as usual, I introduce us… Shmulik says that we are sitting, talking and hoping that the wound will heal (the conflict…). Today, he says, workers are moving to Israel and there is employment. It’s really a rescue for them. Ramy says that when he was a child, he walked to the border with the Strip. They, the children, went to the border and waved to the workers who worked in the fields. After the war they visited there. As an adult, he told his children that he did not engage in hatred. We sit here out of a choice of love. Ramy has no doubt that in love we will reach a better place. When we speak about Gaza, we tell each other that it is a temporary matter and we will meet soon … Roni talks about the connections she creates between young people in Israel and Gaza. Our circle of friends there is growing, she says. When she receives pictures from Gaza of happy children, for example when they received new schoolbags for school (with the help of donations from Israelis), it gives her hope. Ella is 13 years old and the word “Gaza” reminds her of Hamas. Maya says we are in a different reality and fed on the media that portrays Gaza in a negative way. When she pauses to think, she realizes that under Hamas the situation there is bleak and difficult. She listened to those who spoke before her and said we had renewed things she did not know before. Yelena says they live far from the Strip and understand that for us, the closer ones, it is different. For her, Gaza is what the media says … Oleg came to Israel in 1990. Two years later he had already served in the Gaza Strip. There he first met Gaza. There were two Jewish families who lived in Rafah Yam and did not talk to each other … the soldiers took care of them. The sight of crabs coming out en masse from the sea, at four in the morning, reminded him of National Geographic… The image of Gaza today is hungry and poor with bad rulers. The communities in the area suffer from shelling and he identifies with us more than with them. A different attitude towards Gaza could have brought a lot of tourists and prosperity. Moshe studied here, at the “Lighthouse”, That there 2 million inhabitants in Gaza and only 2 pianos … one of them is a gift from Roni. Tells the history of the kite that is permanently placed as part of the circle scenery. Hayuta lives close to the strip and hears the muezzin calls. Sometimes we are asked, what exactly can be done? … Well, Hayuta believes that words have power. Doing nothing is a convenient option. Also – just “talking about” it’s empowering. Ofer says that Gaza is part of the Land of Israel in its various components. Defines himself as a man of peace and asks what they are willing to do to change their bitter fate… they are apathetic to a government that abuses them. Elizabeth says that “once Gaza was Gaza” is no longer today. Shlomi says it takes two for tango. If there is no desire on the other hand, our humanity will not help. Meir thinks that collaborations between groups, rather than between individuals, can create an effect. Where is the group there, on the other side, which acts like you? he asks… Irit believes in win-win. To achieve the result requires effort on both sides. If there is a will on both sides it will be possible to achieve wonderful things. Realizes there are some “buds” on the other side but not developed enough. For Ilana, “Gaza is Trouble”! I do not know how to get out of it … She feels as if there is no desire for change in Gaza but she lives far away and not really informed… Hope it will be good. Groups change again Itzik says that today, Gaza is a bone in the throat. Served a lot of reservists in Gaza. Once upon a time, at first, it was like a trip … he did car treatments in a garage in Gaza … today he feels like the people who spoke before him. We, he adds, have a tendency to help them but they are not a serious partner. We try, but they are not interested in contacting us. Hears that their goal, to eliminate us. He’s not convinced it’s true and pretty much wonders where the truth is. Ruthie has a love for human beings on the one hand, and fear on the other. Rounds of violence. Judah says the situation in Gaza serves the rulers of both sides. Without governments the residents would have gotten along just fine. Rachel takes care of us. It does not seem to her that we are sitting comfortably here. Gaza for her is the people who suffer with us … Yona was a rookie soldier in 1967 serving in the area and was afraid of being killed. David opposes the use of the word “they”. The residents and the government should be separated. The question is, how much do we help ordinary citizens to express themselves in front of the rulers, with us and with them. Ronny explains the point that needs to start from somewhere. Tells about groups of teenagers on both sides she meets. About the desire to look ahead and work together. Tells about a celebration of International Peace Day three years ago and how they celebrated simultaneously on both sides of the fence. Feels like she’s the voice of Gaza. Not a sound of misery, she says, but a cry that expresses hope. Do not believe that in Gaza there is someone, even the worst, who really thinks we can be thrown into the sea … Then we talked to Rami, he feels safe now where he is. Looking for partners for Palestinian and Israeli initiatives, another initiative such as the schoolbags operation. Leave Gaza for a short time and will come back stronger. Think the circle of activists can be expanded. Wants to be listened to. That is, the south returns to the north and the red remains. Partial list of participants: Nahshi, Roni, Ofek, Shmulik, Maharan, Jaber, Oded, Rami, Rami, Hayuta, Moshe, Mary, Margalit, Noa, Yiftach, Or, Haim, Ofir (and 6 other girls and boys who did not speak or say names), Ella, Maya, Yelena, Oleg, Ofer, Elizabeth, Shlomi, Meir, Irit, Ilana, Itzik, Ruthie, Yehuda, Rachel, Yona, David. Wrote: Oded
One Minibus and three buses arrived at the sulfur plant during our “shift.” Most of them went down, heard an explanation from the guide, made a round in the beautiful bloom and continued on their way. Only the passengers of the Minibus sat down to hear about us and Gaza. It was towards the end of the meeting. They came with the guide Jack, who had visited us some times. Hanan told them about the situation in Gaza and the lighthouse and our connection with those across the fence. Members of the group, from different parts of the country, listened to the matter, expressed support and enthusiasm and asked questions about life near Gaza and our opinion regarding the resolution of the situation. Only one cynical remark was recorded. Before of them came several traveling couples, some of whom sat and participated in the conversation and some of whom “received the service while standing.” In one case, after a round of acquaintances, a couple of guests said they were very connected to what they had heard, but “there is no chance that our soldiers will join.” The soldiers are their children who stayed upstairs and flew a drone. As it passed over us we felt for a moment like the friends from Gaza. Ofek later introduced himself as “director of the Negev’s youth committees” and received applause. We talked about leaders being dragged to extremism contrary to the interest of the people, apartheid, suffering in the Gasa Strip and the great days of our area that were and will be. We were this time: Roni, Ofek, Mary, Mark, Hitam, Jaber, Bella, Malki, Hanan, Uri, Moshe, Nahshi and, as mentioned, countless other guests who all have names and opinions about the situation. Wrote: Nahshi
When we arrived at our regular shelter, אhree walkers were already sitting there, eating a fine meal on a blanket spread out on the floor. We tilted our circle beside them and when they finished the meal join us for coffee. Come on “circle”. I opened with an explanation of us and Ofek after me. Ofek, who has been coming regularly for several months, said that at first, when he first arrived, he felt opposition to what was said, but also curiosity. It was curiosity that led him to come again and again. For Hadar, Gaza is a mystery and curiosity. It is also a source of trauma, anger and causes problems in her life. Hadar is a resident of the area. Wants to know more, thinks the division into “they want to kill us and we them”, is not true for both parties. Elior says that Gaza is a place where fears arise. Agrees with Hadar. For Hadas, Gaza is a place of threat, a partner in the views of its members. Gaza is a difficult place to live in but also a threatening place. For Nahshi, Gaza is a place next to which he grew up and lived all his life. People, neighbors he knows. He has a great desire to cross the fence, to enter as before. Looking at a map of Google and it looks really really close and interesting. The fucked-up situation we are in does not allow for a face-to-face meeting. Came to remind himself that it does not have to be this way. Came to hold the candle of hope. Shmulik in the area since 1967. He knew those who worked with him from Gaza. There was a cowherd. Looks from here and sees the Al Bureij camp to which the ’48 refugees were deported and other places. This anomaly cannot continue. To hold this prison without a horizon is impossible. Hopefully one day the fence will fall and it will be possible to cooperate to exist with dignity. Giving workers the opportunity to work in Israel is the right step. Shmulik is sitting here with friends trying to make something happen in that direction. People from all walks of life are sitting here and it is a circle of attention, without fuss. Mary came following Hanan Cohen’s “irrelevant” website. Gaza is a complexity that attracts it. She says that Ramy said in one of the meetings, that a whole generation grew up on both sides that knew nothing but hostility, and the gap grew. Everyone feels threatened and walks away. We are sitting here to be ready that when a new situation comes, we will be ready for it. Roni says that from the “lighthouse” comes a slightly different voice, a voice that is not heard. She has the right to meet people in Gaza. In 2014, during the round of violence, there was an appearance in the moshav (in a shelter …) and in the process, she received a call from a friend in Gaza who was interested in her safety because she heard that a missile had fallen in the moshav. Ronny heard the helicopters preparing for the “response” and feared for her friend’s life. She cried. A TV reporter went with her to her house and from there they called and talked to the friend in Gaza, and from that came an report for TV. Her friend said, “I know you are there and you will not go anywhere, but I am like that too, look at me too.” Where does the hatred come from? Roni asks, it is clear that there is a conflict here, but there is a situation to resolve. Just need to be resolved. In Gaza there are people like us. For them to speak with us is a danger and it is impossible to wait for them to act, we must act! Their life are without hope. Every exit request needs endless approvals. Going to school, health, business, etc. Ronny talks to them. Hosts groups and talks about it with her guests. Living together it’s possible, she says and she knows! Hadar asks Roni about the events of May 2021. Suddenly it was dangerous even in places that seemingly had peace and coexistence, she says, one cannot want to burn and kill the neighboring Jews. My Jewish brothers, says Hadar, are more important to me. She has a hard time with the situation. Roni replies that after many years of experience, she can see things differently. It does not negate the feeling of Hadar. There is a deep pain here that we do not address. We will always find reasons and proof for our victims and tell ourselves that we are terribly right … no one is going anywhere, neither we nor they. Hadar is determined. She grew up in a humane home she says, but they, or their rulers, want to oust us and they never wanted less from all over the country and without Jews. To illustrate the state of “consciousness”, Shmulik tells Hadar about the events of the Great Mosque in Lod in the 1948 war (the Palmach fired a shell into it while hundreds of people found refuge in it) is a memory that remains in consciousness. Gaza is an anomaly that will explode inside us. So. Ilan and Ziva arrive and the three girls leave not before they say they have food for thought… We start a new round with Ilan and Ziva. Roni tells of Marwan who made a peace event in Gaza and after that was taken for questioning by Hamas. He fled the Strip. On one occasion, when he went out for medical treatment, he was sitting in our “lighthouse” on the way back to Gaza. And he asked everyone who heard him to tell about Gaza to five others … Roni talks about her connections and insights about Gaza. On the history of her personal connection to suffering in Gaza. Having a partner, she says, needs to strengthen it and do it together! Malki addresses the purpose of our joint meeting each week. We can not really change, she says, but just sitting and raising awareness is important. It’s hard for her to sit in her comfortable place and ignore what’s going on there. We are sowing a small seed here in the hope that it will bear fruit. Ilan says that on the one hand they are human beings like us, and on the other hand they want to kill us and it is difficult for him to think of them as partners. Hear things here, information he needs to process … Ziva is surprised by the encounter. They left the house without planning a route and fate led them to us … It has nothing to do with the thought of Gaza. Gaza is not present in her life, “at all, at all, at all.” She has a left-wing girlfriend and sometimes it comes up and there is another photographer girlfriend who did a project on Arab women. The first girlfriend talked about her desire to go out to accompany shepherds and to Ziva it seemed delusional. Yes there are probably amazing people on the other side and she understands that and it is important to help. Our perseverance, of the “lighthouse”, for someone else impresses her. Uri has a hard time connecting to the positive things he hears… he tells about a post he saw on YouTube (please watch the link) about British bankers transferring money in a round trip, ostensibly to help suffering countries in Africa, but in practice the money goes to rich and corrupt people connected to the bank. He says the crime against Gaza is global and not Israeli. The money donated to them comes indirectly back to England. The officers’ neighborhood in Gaza is nurtured and prosperous thanks to the corrupt money. They are not like us, neither genetically nor in any other way. Ofek explains about us to Tal, who just arrive (they both in twelfth grade), a new friend he invited today. Then he tells about the first meeting here: he was an antagonist but intrigued and kept coming. Since he came, he has learned more and things are constantly spinning in his head. The Skype conversation with Rami is deeply ingrained in him. He realized that he was in the statistics of the “unfamiliar” on both sides. Tal: Ofek told him and he came. Want to learn more. Gaza’ns are neighbors. Mahran talks about the Bedouins’ struggle against the JNF. Mahran wants everyone to come and support. Was engaged in legal battles (Mahran is a lawyer) against the authorities in the release of the fictitious detainees arrested in the demonstrations and so he wasn’t here for long time at the “lighthouse”. He traveled a lot in Gaza as a child. 6 years ago he was in Gaza for the last time. There is no hatred for Israel, he says, they have fond memories of the time Israel ruled within Gaza, and Gaza was part of Israeli culture. Maharan hopes at least for economic peace. A large group of hikers arrives. David says Gaza is an open wound that refuses to heal. There will be peace when we understand that we (Isrealis) are shit like everyone else. No longer talking about peace but only about ways to numb the conflict. Eli talks about factors that cushion processes. There is a layer that takes care of itself. A clutter that does not lead to a solution. The factors that want a solution are too weak. Orit tries not to think about Gaza. Repulsive because it’s bad. Judith has a hard time with the life of the population in Gaza, her “knowledge” is mainly what she sees on television. Eitan is less familiar with the culture of Gaza. It does not speak to him. It is clear to him that Gaza is like a mirror for us. Mutual fear that reinforces the fears on both sides. Another way of thinking will make it empowering, but in a positive direction. Therefore the perception needs to be changed, this is the solution. The person who manages the perception needs to change. Hamas began as a social force and became a military resistance. The rulers mediate the fear to the public and a herd effect is created. Ilana identifies with the speakers before her. A population suffers with a leadership that gives no future. She hopes the solution for the future will grow from below but it is hard for her to see that happening. Economic peace is a powerful lever in her opinion. For Ruthie, Gaza is a poor place in every possible way. You can not live like this. Her feeling is that if there is a chance for change, he will come with permits to go to work in Israel. The economic interests are strong and she also hopes that the change will come from below. Liora says Gaza is a sad case of misunderstanding and blasts. Both sides continue to cling to clichés. The Gazans have long wanted something different. Ohad Hemo says (in TV) we are under a misconception about Gaza. Young people just want to live, free as we are and with us. There are factors that interfere. She, too, thinks the change will come from below. For Ruby, Gaza is a sequence of memories. Grew up in Ashkelon and traveled a lot in Gaza. He knew it as a soldier and knew how to knock on doors at night and say what was necessary in Arabic … In his youth he cut down trees for the JNF and sold in Gaza. He walked around Gaza alone and sold wood without fear. Like Maharan he believes in an economic solution. It will take years and generational change until the solution of peace, but in our time we need an economic solution and humanitarian actions Amit says that in 1921 his grandfather graduated in Beirut and his brothers were waiting for him in Alexandria to come work with them but he insisted on coming to Safed, because of Zionism. We are in trouble with the Palestinian population, says Amit, there is a deep debate. Does not believe in economic peace. Everyone came out against us in the intifada, the whole population from young to old. The economic gaps are huge. Both they and we are right and the controversy is between “right”. Everyone wants to destroy everyone. Even on a trip to Rahat, the local guide did not want them to wander around certain places because it was “dangerous”. Tali said that the speakers expressed her opinion … In her head is the picture of the enormous destruction from the wars in Gaza. Missing a common language. Offers to open courses in spoken Arabic. Noam says of Gaza “closing and forgetting it does not work.” Today he has nothing to do with them and has no idea what’s going on there … and if he, who considers himself interested, knows nothing, then, he assumes, the majority in the country also does not know… In the fantasy of the end of days Gaza can be Singapore. But a solution to Gaza is still part of all our problems and that of space. Avi says that in the memorial plaque at the Old Be’erot Yitzhak site there is a plaque with the names of the dead who had a dream. It is not only the Palestinians who are dreaming. Everyone dreams, everyone “holds keys,” throughout the ages. There is a struggle here that started as a struggle for the same piece of land and has become a struggle between religions that will never end. The only solution is to cause a lack of motivation to fight, for both sides. We need to be strong, the other side needs to understand this and the solution will be a status quo. Already after four o’clock and it is important for Uri to say that for him, even if it was difficult for him to hear certain things, he wants to point out that just listening in a “circle” is a kind of victory! I asked Roni to summarize the spectacular discourse that has been going on here for the past three hours. There is nothing like the human words, which contain such a simple and natural hope that Roni says, at every meeting, tirelessly, to sum up. Here is the list of participants: Nahshi, Ofek, Mary, Shmulik, Roni, Malki, Oded, Maharan, Hadar, Elior, Hadas, Ilan, Ziva, Tal, Uri, David, Eli, Orit, Yehudit, Eitan, Ruthi, Liora, Ilana, Ruby, Amit, Tali, Noam, Avi. Wrote: Oded
The sharp-eyed and quick-thinking will surely notice that the above date represents the Sunday of the week and not Friday … and no mistake on their part. Today (Ofek, Nahshi, Shmulik and I) came to host the Nachshon preparatory program at our lighthouse. About fifty students from the preparatory, most of them boys. Sitting in a circle, coffee was served and Shmulik opened with a historical overview of the Gaza area, from our ancestor Abraham to the present day, for the Ottomans, English, Arabs, Jews and Gaza. I followed it up with an explanation of the “lighthouse” as an idea that connects people regardless of religion, nationality and gender, in any language and anywhere on the globe (well, only those in the globe who have heard of us). Then we toured the sulfur plant, described to them the history of the structure and noted signs in the structure that indicate how it was operated. We went back to the parking lot and there I told except that they had the patience (or were polite enough) to listen, about the military camp houses, I pointed to the signs left in the center of the plaza (the big V in which the letters R.A.F appear) In conclusion, we “exposed” the signs that indicate the location of the tennis court, where the British soldiers used to dispel their boredom until the Germans arrived … This is the time for the preparatory guys and they were called to get on the bus. end. Oded.